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[aoe II] Suggestion: About the Konnik

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夜雨聽風 | UID=678 |2019-12-15
  Now where there is such a big problem with SL’s, the Konnik is easily overlooked by the majority. In fact i see with them the next balance issue. They can easily massed thanks to the Krepost in combination with Bulgarians stone discount on TC’s. In castle age they dominating the knight line by far. Konniks are cheaper than knights and starting at the same level as the Cavalier. In Imp Elite Konniks kill Paladins(frankish too) even without beeing felled due to their high attack rate. Counters like Helbs dont work either cause of their Infantry form. Monks arent that great either aggaint massed Konniks and their effect is with Heresy researched minimized due to the fact that Konniks survie conversion in their infantry form.
  In my opinion, Konniks need a small nerf to be in line with other cav units. Therefore, I suggest that they need to be more expensive(60 food, 85 gold) than the knight line and should get doubbled training time in Kreposts. Another option to balance them would be to remove Bulgarians last cav armor upgrade.
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宁嘟啦 | UID=320 |2019-12-15
  I think creation time isn’t the issue here. They are ok. Problem is high HP. Their armor and stuffs is fine. Give Cavalry 90+20 HP and elite 110+20 HP. 130 HP for non elite is broken.
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篮球智多星 | UID=998 |2019-12-15
  The most unbalanced unit in the game is Mamelukes. Ii is super fast unit.  It is ranged cavalry  with  bonus vs other cavalry units. And at full upgade has 130 HP. Now, the Mamelukes may defeat all other cavalry units.
Actualy at Medieval age, the Mongol Mangudai was the best cavalry archer.
I suggest the Mamelukes to be returned to their  equivalent
from Aoe 2 age of Kings and remove their bonus for fast firing from Aoe 2 Definitive Edition. So they will have only 80 HP at full upgrade, and remove Bloodlines from Saracines. But even so the Mamelukes are better than Konniks. From Aoe 2 Kings until now, the Mamelukes are only 55 food and 85 gold. SO if you want to increase the price of Konniks, it will need an equvalent increase of the price of Mamelukes to 70 food and 110 gold and they to have only 80 HP at full upgrade.
  Other overpowered unit together with Mamelukes are Battle Elephant. They have enormous 250 HP and are fast as Champions and Halberdiers. But the Battle Elephant cost only 120 food and 70 gold and are faster to recruit than knights. Battle elephant may become at price 120 food and 110 gold.
And finally, about Konnik. It is at the same price as 1 Halberdier and 1 Champion. But Halberdier and Champion may defeat - Konnik and Dismounted Konnik-infantry. But Konnik need stones to be recruited. Also the Teutonic knight defeat the Konnik( and the Dismounted Konnik- infantry) in the game.The Mamelukes and all Elephants also may do that.
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天涯飞马 | UID=649 |2019-12-15
  Hmm, first all the units you mentionned need more stones than Konniks, second Mamelukes are REALLY expensive (and did lose their original no delay bonus) and take bonus damage from anti-archer attacks, so you can use skirmisher if halb are too slow. Elephants are SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, die super fast to halb (wich are much easier to produce) and are free convertions for your monks. And for the end, teutonic knights are gods in melee combats, but chances are you have at least crossbowmen, who counter them 100% of the time. The konnik’s matter is that it’s like having the Cavalier and Two-handed swordsman upgrade before Castle age as soon as you have 350 stones.
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观星 | UID=606 |2019-12-15
  You may play Aoe 2 Age of Kings and see how Mamelukes with only 80 HP defeat Frankish Paladines with 192 HP.
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小九 | UID=698 |2019-12-15
  Of course they would win because they are designed to kill cavalry. But it doesn’t show us how AoK mamelukes would be better against all counter they have right now, like arbalests, halbs, camels ect (all units buffed since AoC)
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大熊的机器宝宝 | UID=132 |2019-12-15
  Why do I even bother making comprehensive list of the weaknesses of Mamelukes, how expensive they are to tech into and produce, how hard they are to mass, how easily countered they can be, when you’re not even going to address any of it.
  Of course they would beat Cavalry, that’s what they are designed for. But with 80 HP, they would die like flies to any sort of ranged unit and camels, and their only hope to not die to halbs was to abuse their 0 fire delay, something they no longer have.
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其中 | UID=241 |2019-12-15
  I really dont understand why this thread is shifting torwards a balance discussion about the Mamelukes. Yes they are a potential counter to the Konnik. Elephants and Teutonic Knights arent. Why  should someone fight aggainst those slow untis with fast cav units?
  Like in my initial post I dont want the Konnik to be weaker. Its a great unit to be clear. I just feel they are way to cheap and to easy to get, cause of the Krepost. Imho the Mameluke is fine cause you need a castle for it and its pretty expensive,  too.
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